Confessor
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Post by Confessor on Nov 10, 2019 21:47:05 GMT -5
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 10, 2019 23:00:35 GMT -5
You forgot the 20 minutes of outtakes of Burt and Dom Deluise laughing at things sillier than that!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 9:30:44 GMT -5
-M
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 15:45:57 GMT -5
After you read what I've posted, please don't think I am being puritanical. I'm not the Witchfinder General or anything.
But...
Whenever I Google a particular trade or graphic novel, the Google suggestion often has the word "free download" attached. So if you type "West Coast Avengers Vol. 1", you may well see the word "free download" as a suggestion.
I happen to think people deserve to be paid for producing the books. I'm not just thinking of the creative people, but the ancillary workers too. I know that makes me sound puritanical - and it probably isn't a good look.
I recommended Vol. 1 of Red Hood and the Outlaws to someone about a year ago. And he said he'd read it as soon as he could find a free download. Okay, that's his call. I don't think he should be burnt at the stake. Or jailed. At least he's not selling arms illegally or driving while drunk.
But one does see an increase in people asking how they can get their art for free.
I don't know what lifestyles comic creators have, but I do know of someone who published 2 eBooks via Amazon (fiction). She told me she gets little from them as they are just 2 among millions on Amazon - and I know she has a full-time job. I'd like to think if anyone ever discovers her books, they may buy them.
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 11, 2019 15:59:11 GMT -5
After you read what I've posted, please don't think I am being puritanical. I'm not the Witchfinder General or anything. But... Whenever I Google a particular trade or graphic novel, the Google suggestion often has the word "free download" attached. So if you type "West Coast Avengers Vol. 1", you may well see the word "free download" as a suggestion. I happen to think people deserve to be paid for producing the books. I'm not just thinking of the creative people, but the ancillary workers too. I know that makes me sound puritanical - and it probably isn't a good look. I recommended Vol. 1 of Red Hood and the Outlaws to someone about a year ago. And he said he'd read it as soon as he could find a free download. Okay, that's his call. I don't think he should be burnt at the stake. Or jailed. At least he's not selling arms illegally or driving while drunk. But one does see an increase in people asking how they can get their art for free. I don't know what lifestyles comic creators have, but I do know of someone who published 2 eBooks via Amazon (fiction). She told me she gets little from them as they are just 2 among millions on Amazon - and I know she has a full-time job. I'd like to think if anyone ever discovers her books, they may buy them. I have never gotten a solicitation for a free download. You must have the magic computer.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 16:18:16 GMT -5
Type a book title in. You sometimes see the drop-down menu suggest something like "free PDF" or something. And it can be the same with magazines or journals.
Same with movie titles or TV shows.
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Post by badwolf on Nov 11, 2019 18:13:48 GMT -5
After you read what I've posted, please don't think I am being puritanical. I'm not the Witchfinder General or anything. But... Whenever I Google a particular trade or graphic novel, the Google suggestion often has the word "free download" attached. So if you type "West Coast Avengers Vol. 1", you may well see the word "free download" as a suggestion. I happen to think people deserve to be paid for producing the books. I'm not just thinking of the creative people, but the ancillary workers too. I know that makes me sound puritanical - and it probably isn't a good look. Agree with you 100% and it does not make you look like a witch hunter.
As Harlan Ellison said, "Pay the writer!"
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Confessor
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Post by Confessor on Nov 11, 2019 18:37:08 GMT -5
I happen to think people deserve to be paid for producing the books. I'm not just thinking of the creative people, but the ancillary workers too. I know that makes me sound puritanical - and it probably isn't a good look. That doesn't sound puritanical at all. You just think creative people should be paid for their work. That's commendable and morally sound. Ripping off writers, artists, musicians etc ain't cool.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 18:45:42 GMT -5
I happen to think people deserve to be paid for producing the books. I'm not just thinking of the creative people, but the ancillary workers too. I know that makes me sound puritanical - and it probably isn't a good look. That doesn't sound puritanical at all. You just think creative people should be paid for their work. That's commendable and morally sound. Ripping off writers, artists, musicians etc ain't cool. What's fun is doing a signing for your newly released rpg product at a game store and having not one but three people tell you to your face, "that looks cool, I'll have to check it out when I can find a pirated copy" and not buy a thing from me or from the store while there. There is a segment among consumers who believe they are entitled to whatever product they want without having to pay for it and will avail themselves of whatever means necessary to get it. It's a large factor why many small publishers and indy shops who sell product have a hard time staying in business; not the only factor by any means, but a large one. On borderline products it can make physical print products unviable due to economy of scale so they get consigned to digital/pdf only as well. -M
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Post by Confessor on Nov 11, 2019 19:03:33 GMT -5
That doesn't sound puritanical at all. You just think creative people should be paid for their work. That's commendable and morally sound. Ripping off writers, artists, musicians etc ain't cool. What's fun is doing a signing for your newly released rpg product at a game store and having not one but three people tell you to your face, "that looks cool, I'll have to check it out when I can find a pirated copy" and not buy a thing from me or from the store while there. Unbelievable! (Actually it's sadly all too believable). What the f*** is wrong with some people? I mean, there'll always be people who are perfectly happy to pirate stuff, but why would you say so to the creator's face?!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 19:18:45 GMT -5
Thanks, guys, I always worry this does sound puritanical!
One response I do hear is, "I can't afford it." Well, currently, I can't afford a Porsche, but I am not going to steal one.
As for saying it to a creator's face, that sucks. Big time.
I'm not here to pass judgement on anyone, but many years ago, I knew a guy who told me (and others) that he never went to the cinema or bought a DVD, he downloaded every film. It just seems wrong.
The "But they are billion-dollar corporations!" argument also does the rounds at times. That can be a red herring for those who want to pirate stuff. What I mean by that is, although it is by no means something to defend, it forgets that there are also small companies/creators who get hurt. Okay, if a person downloaded Captain Marvel right now, I doubt it'll put a dent in Disney's finances. But if everybody did it all of the time, it would. And that aside, not everyone who creates art is rich.
Thanks to technology, there are people who do create eBooks. I have no idea what cut Amazon takes if it's a Kindle eBook, but I certainly have known people publish eBooks but have a day job also. I'd like to think they could be paid for their work.
Then there's the ancillary stuff, too. Here in the UK, I want HMV and Waterstones to thrive. Because I think it'd be a sad day if we didn't have stores selling CDs/Blu-rays and books. I was irked once when some guy on a forum admitted that he would go into Waterstones, hook up to their WiFi and try and find free downloads of books he was interested in. Not only was wrong on many levels, but to take advantage of Waterstones' WiFi and heating/seating just seemed wrong.
I think those in creative industries (the ancillary workers) are concerned about this. There is a small independent cinema in my home town that I go to. Once, the assistant manager did tell me that when she heard people talking about continually downloading films, she did wonder what that would mean for her cinema long-term.
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Post by badwolf on Nov 11, 2019 20:54:49 GMT -5
There's only one record store in my area, a couple book stores. Movie stores are gone (well, I guess B&N has those.) I'm surprised what's left has held on. There used to be a lot more. It is a sad time.
I noticed some movies in recent years have had a message at the end saying how many people for whom the film has provided employment. The director, actors and other big roles might get the big bucks, but everyone down to the guy who cooks lunch for everyone also has to make a living.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 12, 2019 10:23:01 GMT -5
Type a book title in. You sometimes see the drop-down menu suggest something like "free PDF" or something. And it can be the same with magazines or journals. Same with movie titles or TV shows. Are you talking about the results? Or do you mean while your typing? That's just google trying to anticipate what you're looking for. It means lots of people search for 'free PDF' after whatever you started with.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2019 10:25:42 GMT -5
I'm on about while you're typing. Google does like to anticipate what one is looking for, eh? If I type "recipes for..." (just now), the auto-suggestion is "chicken" and then "dinner" but I might be looking for "recipes for cheese" or something.
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Post by impulse on Nov 12, 2019 12:45:19 GMT -5
Yeah, I prefer to buy my media, too. Folks deserve to be paid, I like to be official, etc. I don't think it's a big deal if someone downloads something they've already bought before and lost or broke, or if it is something that's not commercially available and there is literally no legal way to buy it. I know some software is defunct by studios who no longer exist, etc. There's an argument for preservation to be made.
That said, I don't support downloading just to save a buck from buying through proper channels.
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