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Post by Cei-U! on Feb 11, 2020 22:37:11 GMT -5
Waht's the story on the Rick Jones hate? Beats me. I always kinda liked the kid. Snapper Carr, too.
Cei-U! Apparently there's something wrong with me!
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 11, 2020 22:41:04 GMT -5
Waht's the story on the Rick Jones hate? Beats me. I always kinda liked the kid. Snapper Carr, too.
Cei-U! Apparently there's something wrong with me!
But we love you anyway.
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Post by beccabear67 on Feb 11, 2020 23:18:29 GMT -5
I'd like to see some cross-overs with all the characters mentioned... Snapper Carr meets Rick Jones, Lobo vs. Deadpool, Moondragon vs. Harley Quinn, Bat-mite meets Lockheed the dragon (and they have vegemite and marmite on their Brood egg sandwiches at tea), Impossible Man... well, he is Mxyzptlk... he could meet Grass Green's The Shape maybe... or how about Wonder Warthog? I'm not going to vote, I feel I've been too negative lately.
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Post by tarkintino on Feb 11, 2020 23:18:37 GMT -5
Waht's the story on the Rick Jones hate? Not that I like the character particularly - I don't really have a strong feeling about him either way, so I'm surprised to find he's considered annoying by a lot of people. Maybe it's something I didn't read? I know him mostly from the early-70s Captain Marvel reboot with the new costume and a bit from the early Hulk. Mind you, I can see finding any and all juvenile sidekicks annoying. If that's it I'm totally on board, just on general principle. Personally, I found Rick Jones to be one of the more realistic Marvel characters in that he has a logical arc from being so tied to the Hulk's origin, the Avengers, to a seemingly fate-ordained path to becoming Cap's second partner. Moving beyond a form of hero worship to becoming an even bigger hero (with Captain Marvel), readers were treated to a natural growth of a teen character who did not have it all just drop on him (like endless Jimmy Olsen stories). Every step of the way, he had to prove himself.
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Post by beccabear67 on Feb 11, 2020 23:21:35 GMT -5
I've been reading that Peter David Captain Marvel that followed the Avengers Forever 12-parter and any not liking Rick Jones has evaporated. Even Snapper Carr was somewhat redeemed in one season of the Supergirl tv series.
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Post by brutalis on Feb 12, 2020 8:16:48 GMT -5
I was kind of aiming the annoyance at the 3 Impster's as I ponder what happened within these 3 grand comic book series that these mostly illogical annoyances were added to create conflict for the heroes? With ALL the possibilities and concepts out there, why and how did these 3 rapscallions become returning antagonists when most people don't really care for them?
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Feb 12, 2020 8:56:19 GMT -5
The answer to any question with "annoying" and "comic book character" in it, is always Rick Jones.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Feb 12, 2020 9:04:51 GMT -5
Waht's the story on the Rick Jones hate? Not that I like the character particularly - I don't really have a strong feeling about him either way, so I'm surprised to find he's considered annoying by a lot of people. Maybe it's something I didn't read? I know him mostly from the early-70s Captain Marvel reboot with the new costume and a bit from the early Hulk. Mind you, I can see finding any and all juvenile sidekicks annoying. If that's it I'm totally on board, just on general principle. Anyone voting Deadpool or Harley I can't imagine not including Jones. But unlike Jones, to me, Deadpool and Harley were both good at one time. They are just a meme now, and Marvel and DC have embraced them being a meme and have had writers go with it. Jones has always been insufferable and annoying. It's all about him. Especially in Hulk. "Oh woe is me" meanwhile Banner has another Hulk personality manifesting inside of him, while trying to kill Banner at the same time. Mar-vel wasn't too bad. But there were definitely issues where his insentient whining was reaching a boiling point. Mar-vel could be at death's door and when they switch out Jones is like "why can't I get a date? It's all Mar-vel's fault". I guess to a point I can try and relate to being a teen and being a superhero (Peter Parker in most cases is how it's done right) but for some reason Jones just was too much. At no point, it seemed with all the heroes he was connected with did he ever embrace his role without the angst. Except maybe with Cap. I haven't read his role in Cap much at all.
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Post by Cei-U! on Feb 12, 2020 9:11:33 GMT -5
I'd like to see some cross-overs with all the characters mentioned... Snapper Carr meets Rick Jones, Snapper and Rick met in the Busiek-Perez JLA/Avengers miniseries.
Cei-U! I summon the meeting of the minds!
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Post by Cei-U! on Feb 12, 2020 9:22:07 GMT -5
I was kind of aiming the annoyance at the 3 Impster's as I ponder what happened within these 3 grand comic book series that these mostly illogical annoyances were added to create conflict for the heroes? With ALL the possibilities and concepts out there, why and how did these 3 rapscallions become returning antagonists when most people don't really care for them? Maybe "most people don't really care for them" now but that wasn't necessarily always true. Mxy was extremely popular when first introduced in the Superman syndicated strip, so much so that he was added to the comic book version within weeks of the strip's publication. Bat-Mite, like the rest of the extended Batman Family, was a desperate attempt by editor Jack Schiff to boost the sales of Batman and Detective, which were in freefall in the mid- to late-50s. Sales jumped whenever Bat-Mite appeared on a cover, so why wouldn't they use him? But you're right about Impossible Man. FF readers were quite vocal about their dislikeof him and Stan had to admit in a letters page thathe and Kirby had made a mistake. They never used him again.
Cei-U! I summon the trio of troublesome tricksters!
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 12, 2020 10:25:53 GMT -5
I was kind of aiming the annoyance at the 3 Impster's as I ponder what happened within these 3 grand comic book series that these mostly illogical annoyances were added to create conflict for the heroes? With ALL the possibilities and concepts out there, why and how did these 3 rapscallions become returning antagonists when most people don't really care for them? Maybe "most people don't really care for them" now but that wasn't necessarily always true. Mxy was extremely popular when first introduced in the Superman syndicated strip, so much so that he was added to the comic book version within weeks of the strip's publication. Bat-Mite, like the rest of the extended Batman Family, was a desperate attempt by editor Jack Schiff to boost the sales of Batman and Detective, which were in freefall in the mid- to late-50s. Sales jumped whenever Bat-Mite appeared on a cover, so why wouldn't they use him? But you're right about Impossible Man. FF readers were quite vocal about their dislikeof him and Stan had to admit in a letters page thathe and Kirby had made a mistake. They never used him again.
Cei-U! I summon the trio of troublesome tricksters!
Mxyzptlk was popular enough to be the only Superman foe to receive a Mego figure. Not Luthor. Not the Parasite. Not Toyman, Prankster or Terra Man. Mxy was very popular for a long time.
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Feb 12, 2020 11:26:05 GMT -5
I don't appreciate superhero camp. I get the kid appeal but I prefer some semi seriousness to my heroes. Characters like Bat-Mite, pet characters, strange weird "joke" villains just don't do it for me.
You want to impress me though as a writer? You take these joke character and somehow make them serious. Or at least tolerable. Has that ever been done with Mxy or Bat-Mite? I dunno how it would be done but if it has or ever is I am at least intrigued.
Does Bat-Mite just appear? Is he from another dimension? I really know nothing about him other than he looks ridiculous and appears to be just for laughs and a mail in goofy story when he pops up. Perhaps if he were actually a time traveller who gets stuck in Gotham and then comes to idolize Batman but Batman wants nothing to do with him so he begins a reign of terror. And perhaps he struggles to deal with the fact that he is viewed as a "little person" in our world and this provides some personal struggles that he never faced back in his own reality/time zone/whatever.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 12, 2020 11:48:34 GMT -5
I don't appreciate superhero camp. I get the kid appeal but I prefer some semi seriousness to my heroes. Characters like Bat-Mite, pet characters, strange weird "joke" villains just don't do it for me. You want to impress me though as a writer? You take these joke character and somehow make them serious. Or at least tolerable. Has that ever been done with Mxy or Bat-Mite? I dunno how it would be done but if it has or ever is I am at least intrigued. Does Bat-Mite just appear? Is he from another dimension? I really know nothing about him other than he looks ridiculous and appears to be just for laughs and a mail in goofy story when he pops up. Perhaps if he were actually a time traveller who gets stuck in Gotham and then comes to idolize Batman but Batman wants nothing to do with him so he begins a reign of terror. And perhaps he struggles to deal with the fact that he is viewed as a "little person" in our world and this provides some personal struggles that he never faced back in his own reality/time zone/whatever. Nothing says serious like guys in long underwear defying physics and norms of rational behavior.
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Post by mikelmidnight on Feb 12, 2020 12:39:43 GMT -5
Yeah, the addition of Bat-Mite on 1977's The New Adventures of Batman cartoon pretty much turned it into two Scout Masters groaning and being tripped up by one of the most irritating characters ever seen on Saturday morning TV, and that's saying something as there were boatloads of irritating "comedy relief"/foil characters. Its a sharp contrast to the more straightforward (and Bat-Mite free) Batman cartoon Filmation produced between 1968-70.
I didn't hate the original comics Bat-Mite, because (a) he was mainly before my time and (b) he only appeared periodically. But yeah his constant presence pretty much ruined the Batman cartoon.
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Post by rberman on Feb 12, 2020 12:57:33 GMT -5
These kinds of trickster characters are a staple of broader fiction too. The TV shows "Bewitched" and "I Dream of Jeannie" are essentially about nothing else. Q on Star Trek: The Next Generation is another example. How about Aquaman's Qwsp? I'm sure there are others.
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