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Post by Slam_Bradley on May 2, 2019 11:10:13 GMT -5
Eric Bogle playing his composition "In No Man's Land/The Green Fields of France." This song just kills me.
And the first part of a documentary with Bogle walking cemeteries in France and talking about the song.
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Post by berkley on May 2, 2019 13:04:03 GMT -5
Looking at wikipedia's series of "the year in jazz" articles, I was surprised to see how late into the 1950s the lists really start to explode in terms of numbers - in the early 50s there are only a handful of album releases listed for each year, and then suddenly the entry for 1956 has 20 or 30. Is this accurate, or is wiki just not on the ball?
Supplementary question, since we're on the subject - what does everyone think are the essential jazz albums for anyone exploring this music? I've found a few online lists I've been looking at, and also picked up a used copy of "The Playboy Guide to Jazz" by one Neil Tesser the other day but I'm always looking for suggestions - right now from the late 40s and early 50s in particular, since that's where I am in some other stuff I'm reading (American SF and hard-boiled).
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Post by beccabear67 on May 2, 2019 16:05:46 GMT -5
and then suddenly the entry for 1956 has 20 or 30. Is this accurate, or is wiki just not on the ball? That's about when the 12" LP format really took off, plus the first stereo releases. Before then there were 10" LPs and books of 78rpm discs in glorious monophonic, but perhaps they don't count those?
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Post by Rob Allen on May 2, 2019 18:02:07 GMT -5
It's also interesting that so much great jazz was produced just at the point when jazz was moving from the mainstream of pop music to the niche that it has occupied ever since.
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Post by Confessor on May 2, 2019 22:03:22 GMT -5
Supplementary question, since we're on the subject - what does everyone think are the essential jazz albums for anyone exploring this music? Well, I'm not a jazz connoisseur, but beginning with Miles Davis' Kind Of Blue is a good start. It's one of those landmark, classic albums that everyone should hear. It's the jazz album that even people who don't much like jazz like. And it really is as good as the hype. The first time you put it on, you'll feel the sublime quality of the music just oozing out of your stereo. But really, you're asking an impossibly broad question. Asking what the essential jazz albums are, is like asking what are the essential popular music albums. I mean, you could recommend such different sounding albums as The Beatles' Sgt. Pepper, Joni Mitchell's Ladies Of the Canyon, Michael Jackson's Thriller, Guns 'n' Roses' Appitite for Destruction, or Adele's 24. Jazz is such a broad genre, that you need to try to identify what sub-genres you like and take it from there. Myself, I really like cool jazz, like Miles Davis (50s/early 60s), The Dave Brubeck Quartet and the Modern Jazz Quartet, along with the Bosa Nova and Latin jazz of Stan Getz and Astrud Gilberto. But I also like a lot of late 60s/early 70s jazz-funk too, like Gil Scott-Heron, Richard "Groove" Holmes and Bobbi Humphrey. However, plenty of other sub-genres in jazz leave me cold, like jazz fusion for example. When it comes to Bebop, I can just about handle John Coltrane's Giant Steps, but some of his later, more extreme bop records, like Impressions or A Love Supreme leave me cold. So, I suggest picking a few jazz sub-genres that sound interesting to you and finding out from Wikipedia what some of the defining albums of that sub-genre were, and listening to them on YouTube to see if you like it.
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Post by beccabear67 on May 3, 2019 12:34:19 GMT -5
I was listening to Miles Davis' Kind Of Blue recently before ever seeing the recent talk here. It was a big release from 1959, and also had on Dave Brubeck's Time Out yet again, and it was also released in that same year. I don't have a massive amount of jazz but those two are pretty much essential. For Coltrane I have Giant Steps and My Favorite Things, plus a later CD compilation which duplicates part of those albums. Other stuff I got into is Vince Guaraldi, you know him as the cat who laid down that music for the Charlie Brown/Peanuts tv specials. 1964's Jazz Impressions album is a good place to start with him I think. I've been meaning to get a photo taken with a friend's '60s Vox 'teadrop' guitar and finally got around to it, so here 'tis. This is the same model Brian Jones played except his had two and not three pickups I believe. With my Byrds album shirt maybe I should've tried to find a Rickenbacker to pose with?
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Post by Slam_Bradley on May 3, 2019 13:46:11 GMT -5
Looking at wikipedia's series of "the year in jazz" articles, I was surprised to see how late into the 1950s the lists really start to explode in terms of numbers - in the early 50s there are only a handful of album releases listed for each year, and then suddenly the entry for 1956 has 20 or 30. Is this accurate, or is wiki just not on the ball? Supplementary question, since we're on the subject - what does everyone think are the essential jazz albums for anyone exploring this music? I've found a few online lists I've been looking at, and also picked up a used copy of "The Playboy Guide to Jazz" by one Neil Tesser the other day but I'm always looking for suggestions - right now from the late 40s and early 50s in particular, since that's where I am in some other stuff I'm reading (American SF and hard-boiled). Confessor kind of hits the nail. Jazz is such a huge undertaking with so many sub-genres that it's hard to make recommendations until you have a baseline. I would certainly recommend the biggies of '59...Miles Davis - Kind of Blue, Dave Brubeck - Time Out, John Coltrane - Giant Steps, Charles Mingus - Mingus Ah Um. If you want to dip into fusion, Davis' In a Silent Way is very accessible and can lead to other things. Getz/Gilberto is a classic album and can launch into an exploration of Bosso Nova and wider latin jazz. And again, as pointed out, the 12 inch LP wasn't developed until 1948 and it took about 10 years for them to become 50% of record sales. Until '48 "albums" were collections of related 78 records. 12 inch LPs slowly diversified but in the early days were largely used for classical and jazz recordings.
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Post by rberman on May 3, 2019 14:27:18 GMT -5
The “killer app” that made everyone run out and buy a 33RPM player was the 1956 Broadway cast recording of “My Fair Lady” starring Julie Andrews. It moved an unheard of 5 million LPs and ensured the dominance of a Columbia Records for years to come.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 14:29:37 GMT -5
I don't know if I can make recommendations for anyone else, but my go to jazz albums are the following:
Monk's Dream-Thelonius Monk Quartet Kind of Blue, Bitches Brew & Sketches of Spain-Miles Davis Love Supreme & My Favorite Things-John Coltrane School Days & Bass-ic Collection-Stanley Clarke Earthworks & Footloose and Fancy Free by Earthworks Music for Piano and Drums by Bruford & Moraz Ella & Louis, and Porgey & Bess by Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong
they may not be representative of the the entirety of the genre, they may not all be the quintessential works every one knows, but they are the core of what I like in jazz.
Basically give me some Miles, Coltrane, Thelonius and Ella, spice it with a little groove from Stanley and Bruford and I am good. There's other stuff I like, but this is the stuff I always come back to.
-M
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Post by Confessor on May 3, 2019 20:25:16 GMT -5
I was listening to Miles Davis' Kind Of Blue recently before ever seeing the recent talk here. It was a big release from 1959, and also had on Dave Brubeck's Time Out yet again, and it was also released in that same year. I don't have a massive amount of jazz but those two are pretty much essential. For Coltrane I have Giant Steps and My Favorite Things, plus a later CD compilation which duplicates part of those albums. Other stuff I got into is Vince Guaraldi, you know him as the cat who laid down that music for the Charlie Brown/Peanuts tv specials. 1964's Jazz Impressions album is a good place to start with him I think. I've been meaning to get a photo taken with a friend's '60s Vox 'teadrop' guitar and finally got around to it, so here 'tis. This is the same model Brian Jones played except his had two and not three pickups I believe. With my Byrds album shirt maybe I should've tried to find a Rickenbacker to pose with? Very cool t-shirt (as I think I said in another thread) and bitchin' Vox teardrop. I knew a guy who played one of those in a band some years back and my overriding memory of it was what a pig it was to play (Vox made pretty cheap and cheerful guitars back in the day). But it sounded great and looked way cool, of course.
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Post by berkley on May 7, 2019 22:55:33 GMT -5
Thanks for all the responses to my jazz question - which was of course far too broad and open-ended. Since I like to listen to music from roughly the same era as the books or comics I'm reading, I'm focusing on the late 40s to early 50s right now, when it comes to pop music and jazz. I have a few, not many, cds from that period and will look for more stuff on youtube.
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Post by Rob Allen on May 8, 2019 1:49:58 GMT -5
Let's see, pop/jazz, late 40s-early 50s...
Louis Jordan Charlie Parker with strings Louis Prima Betty Hutton Dizzy Gillespie Wynonie Harris
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Post by beccabear67 on May 8, 2019 10:08:50 GMT -5
I love Louis Jordan music, filed under R&B. Bill Haley & the Comets (previously The Saddlemen) sort of took off in the early '50s from what he and Big Joe Turner had been doing starting in the late '40s. Wynonie Harris, Roy Brown and Ike Turner are also in that pre Rock & Roll R&B bag.
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Post by haiduk on May 8, 2019 18:06:02 GMT -5
cosmic blackened death metal
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Post by Confessor on May 12, 2019 13:08:48 GMT -5
I just booked tickets to see the "Opry Country Classics" show at Ryman Auditorium, Nashville on what will be my wife and I's first full night in Music City in September. It's hosted by Larry Gatlin and the Gatlin Brothers, and features classic stories and songs, with guest musicians singing country favorites. There will also be a Spotlight Artist headlining the show performing a selection of their hits. They don't announce any of the acts until the week of the show, but to be honest, we're not too bothered who we see. We just wanna hear some classic country music in the Ryman, while we soak up the atmosphere and daydream about all the amazing acts who've performed in that place over the years. Tickets were pretty reasonably priced too (I didn't go for the most expensive) and we've got what looks to be fairly decent seats. I can't wait!!
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