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Post by EdoBosnar on May 18, 2019 3:39:22 GMT -5
Hm, yeah. I remember reading about that a few years ago: literary scholars have concluded that about a third of Shakespeare's plays were co-written with other writers of the time, like Marlowe - and decided to give credit to those whose identity they could determine in future publications of Shakespeare's works. That doesn't mean, however, that Shakespeare was 'more than one author,' or a pseudonym or figurehead/guise for another writer (or writers) - as many of the authorship conspiracy theorists have been asserting since about the early 19th century.
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Post by Confessor on May 18, 2019 4:33:10 GMT -5
Will Shakespeare was one fine, fine writer. As a non-native English speaker, I am continuously amazed to find out how much his prose influenced the language, providing what feels like half of its colloquial expressions. I am awed. There! I said it. I agree. His poetic eloquence and ability with a turn of phrase is exceptional...it's just a shame that he couldn't write a decent ending to save his life. **runs away from an angry CCF mob** Edit: As a side question, what's everybody's #1 favourite Shakespeare play? Mine's A Midsummer Night's Dream. I love the magic, enchantment and romance of that play, and the "play within a play" segments. It's still damn funny too, even all these years later. I've seen it performed three times and even starred in an amateur production of it myself once (I played Puck). My favourite memory of seeing it was one balmy summer's evening at the Minack open air theatre in Cornwall; I have wonderful memories of watching it with a beautiful young lady I was dating at the time, as the sun went down over the Atlantic, providing a stunning backdrop to the actors on stage. *sigh* Here's a shot of the Minack theatre. If you're ever in Cornwall, England, you could do a lot worse than go to see a show here...
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Post by beccabear67 on May 18, 2019 12:22:41 GMT -5
I guess it could get conspiratorial if Falstaff and Prince Hal might be the intellectual property of Christopher Marlowe. But who had it in for Richard III (the crookback) making him so unpleasant? This could get political! Good Queen Bess is 'aight with me... anyone but Bloody Mary is all I know. I seemest most chop fallen? Don't want to get the chop for being Protestant. I'll have to be boring and go with The Tragedy Of Hamlet, Prince Of Denmarks as the one I have read in print/folio, seen live and watched the movie.
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Post by Farrar on May 18, 2019 12:31:06 GMT -5
Edit: As a side question, what's everybody's #1 favourite Shakespeare play? Mine's A Midsummer Night's Dream. I've seen Hamlet onstage many times and Julius Caesar is also high on my list; but hands down my favorite is Troilus and Cressida. I love Greek drama/lit/mythology/Trojan War stuff etc.
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Post by Rob Allen on May 18, 2019 13:18:07 GMT -5
Macbeth's descendants, if he'd had any, could have sued Shakespeare for libel. Macbeth was a completely legitimate king.
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Post by Phil Maurice on May 18, 2019 13:25:41 GMT -5
I have to go with King Lear. I have daughters and Lear has valuable lessons about narcissism, false love, and relinquishing your children to their adult lives with grace and acceptance. The whole thing really resonates with me. I have a soft spot for the Granada production that featured Olivier and John Hurt.
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Post by Cei-U! on May 18, 2019 17:21:48 GMT -5
I am very fond of Twelfth Night. I saw it performed in the mid-'79s by drama students from a local university who created vivid characterizations and understand where the laughs were. Marvelous. I like all the tragedies, especially Hamlet and Lear. Richard II, with its hero neither wanting nor understanding power and having it thrust on him anyway, especially speaks to me.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 18, 2019 17:27:00 GMT -5
Edit: As a side question, what's everybody's #1 favourite Shakespeare play? Mine's A Midsummer Night's Dream. I've seen Hamlet onstage many times and Julius Caesar is also high on my list; but hands down my favorite is Troilus and Cressida. I love Greek drama/lit/mythology/Trojan War stuff etc. I was thrilled to see them in Eric Shanower’s Age of Bronze!
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2019 20:39:33 GMT -5
Confessor ... I have been at Minack Theatre and it is an incredible and beautiful place to be. I spent most of the afternoon there and it's an amazing place to be. I was there 20 years ago.
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Post by beccabear67 on May 18, 2019 21:04:05 GMT -5
Oh great... now I have my own Shakespeare conspiracy theory! How's about... it was Will Shakespeare of Stratford who died in 1593, a man of the same age and very similar appearance to Christopher Marlowe, the plague was going around and Christopher (in trouble for immorality and atheism) simply took advantage of that, took the place of someone who was just becoming known in the theater and then continued his own writing, picking up exactly where he'd left off.. the first item with Shakespeare ever credited as author is the second edition of something published anonymously (perhaps a mere week or so after Marlowe's supposed death), the first edition bearing only a verse on the title page, a verse translated by Marlowe! Marlowe was also reportedly a left-footer, and William S. and Anne Hathaway never had any children past 1592 though Anne lived to 1623. This is how someone with lower education who never left England could write like someone university educated with such veracity about European places, places Christopher Marlowe had visited. The Shakespeares, including William's father John, had debts and Marlowe had money, and you know Anne Hathaway loved her cottage. There, I said it. Well, typed it anyway. Perhaps you can enjoy telling me what's wrong with the theory. Coming soon: Jesus and his Mum were officiating at his wedding turning water into wine, he was addressed as Rabbi when Rabbis had to be married men, and Mary of Magdala was performing rights on a body only a wife or Mother would do, yet we know his Mother was around, so...
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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 18, 2019 21:33:19 GMT -5
Oh great... now I have my own Shakespeare conspiracy theory! How's about... it was Will Shakespeare of Stratford who died in 1593, a man of the same age and very similar appearance to Christopher Marlowe, the plague was going around and Christopher (in trouble for immorality and atheism) simply took advantage of that, took the place of someone who was just becoming known in the theater and then continued his own writing, picking up exactly where he'd left off.. the first item with Shakespeare ever credited as author is the second edition of something published anonymously (perhaps a mere week or so after Marlowe's supposed death), the first edition bearing only a verse on the title page, a verse translated by Marlowe! Marlowe was also reportedly a left-footer, and William S. and Anne Hathaway never had any children past 1592 though Anne lived to 1623. This is how someone with lower education who never left England could write like someone university educated with such veracity about European places, places Christopher Marlowe had visited. The Shakespeares, including William's father John, had debts and Marlowe had money, and you know Anne Hathaway loved her cottage. There, I said it. Well, typed it anyway. Perhaps you can enjoy telling me what's wrong with the theory. Coming soon: Jesus and his Mum were officiating at his wedding turning water into wine, he was addressed as Rabbi when Rabbis had to be married men, and Mary of Magdala was performing rights on a body only a wife or Mother would do, yet we know his Mother was around, so... We all know what happened: Shakespeare met the King of Dreams who bestowed upon him the gift to inspire great visions in people; the price to pay was his writing of The Tempest. As I recall, his friend Kit Marlowe was there when the deal was struck!
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Post by berkley on May 18, 2019 23:58:20 GMT -5
Because of my upcoming vacation in London and all that; and my Summers being busy with the Club that I run; I'm seriously thinking of limiting my time here and not visit that often. I'm not enjoying it anymore and constantly feeling corrected upon and stepped on occasionally. And, I'm not going to change my avatar again. Shouldn't that be, "I'm not going to change my avatar again, again." ?
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2019 0:25:19 GMT -5
Because of my upcoming vacation in London and all that; and my Summers being busy with the Club that I run; I'm seriously thinking of limiting my time here and not visit that often. I'm not enjoying it anymore and constantly feeling corrected upon and stepped on occasionally. And, I'm not going to change my avatar again. Shouldn't that be, "I'm not going to change my avatar again, again." ? I understand, but I'm addicted to change and that's me. Thanks for your post here.
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Post by EdoBosnar on May 19, 2019 3:12:32 GMT -5
(...) This is how someone with lower education who never left England could write like someone university educated with such veracity about European places, places Christopher Marlowe had visited. (...) Yeah, someone who felt the sea wind ruffle his hair and listened to the seagulls cry as he strolled on the sandy shores of Bohemia...
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Post by Duragizer on May 19, 2019 3:15:32 GMT -5
Heather Langenkamp looks like a Jack Kirby character come to life.
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