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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Nov 25, 2015 19:57:43 GMT -5
Indeed, some of those later Penthouse comix are almost impossible to find at decent price if at all.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 25, 2015 21:50:24 GMT -5
Low print run is pretty much the definition of the supply portion of supply and demand.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2015 23:25:57 GMT -5
Limited supply only comes into play though when demand is equal to or greater than the supply. IF there are only 10 copies of something, but only 5 people want it, the limited supply will not affect the price at all because there is still more copies than will sell. If there is only 1 of something, but no one wants it, the scarcity will not affect price because there is no demand. If there is demand, then scarcity comes into play, but scarcity alone is not enough to drive up prices.
Marvel Silver Age keys are not scarce or in limited supply. Especially when compared to the non-key issues immediately around those wanted keys. It is the demand that drives their value (or in reality the perceived relationship between the demand and the scarcity of supply. Intentional scarcity (1:100 variants, limited edition print runs) are meant to increase demand for the product, but often are seen as the artificial manipulation of the market they are, and when the demand is not stimulated, prices will drop on those despite the scarcity.
-M
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Nov 26, 2015 1:07:20 GMT -5
You guys want to try paying what the great unwashed ask for old comics here on TradeMe(our EBay). $85 for a B+W reprint from the 80s, or claiming comics as NM when you can see folds and/or writing on the cover in their photos. Try this www.trademe.co.nz/books/comic-books/rare/auction-985340985.htm a $125 2000AD #1 "7 - 8 out of 10" though they have a photo of the tear through the back cover.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 1:13:25 GMT -5
I contacted someone today who was selling a collection for $200. Terrible photos, couldn't even tell what it was. Looked like maybe 20 comics. But then in one of the tiny, blurry, glare filled photos I saw an issue of RAW magazine. Tried to buy just that but he wasn't having it. I offered a low but fair price. Less than I've been paying for my copies, but only by a bit. Haggle room. The collection might actually be worth $200 but I already know I don't want most of it and it's definitely not worth a whole lot more than $200 so I'm not selling that stuff online.
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Post by marvelmaniac on Nov 26, 2015 8:38:14 GMT -5
About 3-4 years ago I needed a Two Gun Kid 58 to complete my 1-60 run. A high profile dealer(and Overstreet Advisor I have been told) was selling this book (Raw) in FR 1.0 for $30.00 + shipping, guide at the time in GD 2.0 was under $10.00, so FR 1.0 should bring about 50% of that price.(I would have paid $10 no questions asked) I questioned as to why the asking price for a FR 1.0 was about 500% higher than guide for a Gd 2.0 and the response was "it is a Kirby Monster Cover". My response was "So". I ended up winning a copy in VG 4.0 in an auction about 6 months later for $23.00 shipped. The TGK 58 in FR 1.0 for $30.00 was listed for almost a year before the listing disappeared. If the fact that the Kirby Monster Cover was so relevant and demanded an inflated price because of this and this dealer is an Overstreet Advisor the new price guide does not reflect any of this, 2015 guide price GD 2.0 $13, VG 4.0 $26. The only difference I see is that now there is a notation in the guide stating that this book is a "Kirby Monster Cover".
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 26, 2015 17:57:43 GMT -5
I questioned as to why the asking price for a FR 1.0 was about 500% higher than guide for a Gd 2.0 and the response was "it is a Kirby Monster Cover". The real answer is that you suddenly wanted it after no one biting, and he tried to rip you off. People like that suck.
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 26, 2015 18:02:42 GMT -5
I will forever have a whole in my Birds of Prey run because of an artificial "value" for this comic. Apparently, this is the first date between Barbara and Dick. It goes for 50 and up.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 19:15:01 GMT -5
Limited supply only comes into play though when demand is equal to or greater than the supply. IF there are only 10 copies of something, but only 5 people want it, the limited supply will not affect the price at all because there is still more copies than will sell. If there is only 1 of something, but no one wants it, the scarcity will not affect price because there is no demand. If there is demand, then scarcity comes into play, but scarcity alone is not enough to drive up prices. Marvel Silver Age keys are not scarce or in limited supply. Especially when compared to the non-key issues immediately around those wanted keys. It is the demand that drives their value (or in reality the perceived relationship between the demand and the scarcity of supply. Intentional scarcity (1:100 variants, limited edition print runs) are meant to increase demand for the product, but often are seen as the artificial manipulation of the market they are, and when the demand is not stimulated, prices will drop on those despite the scarcity. -M Low print run stuff is easier for sellers to control the market of though. For example, the Nightwynd magazine sized run of Elflord. Low print run, low demand, and every copy listed for sale is overpriced by about 300%. But what can I do? There's no other supply of the stuff. I either pay for it or don't get to own it. Currently I'm choosing the third option of waiting for a reasonably priced copy to come to light. Hasn't happened in several years for me though. Same story with RAW magazine and self published Johnny Ryan comics.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 19:55:04 GMT -5
Indeed, some of those later Penthouse comix are almost impossible to find at decent price if at all. I got the whole run on Ebay a few years ago, in like new condition...as well as Hustler Comix and a couple of Selen for less than US$1.50 each. Not sure if you shop there but on occassion, you can get great deals. Giovanna Casotto's art is awesome even if I can't read Italian.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Nov 26, 2015 20:52:07 GMT -5
Indeed, some of those later Penthouse comix are almost impossible to find at decent price if at all. I got the whole run on Ebay a few years ago, in like new condition...as well as Hustler Comix and a couple of Selen for less than US$1.50 each. Not sure if you shop there but on occassion, you can get great deals. Giovanna Casotto's art is awesome even if I can't read Italian. I do, or more accurately did. I still have an alert list for those issues I lack. I know it can happen, but as I'm merely filling holes with no interest in buying more than the holes in my collection, it's darn difficult. I bought the first 15 issues when those came out, but after those, my LCS and its local competition never managed to get hold of hte rest. And as I said, those early issues are still fairely eazy to catch, it's the later ones that seem to be difficult to track, unless I'm willing to pay close to 100$ an issue, and those aren't even te really exciting ones. Hustler Comix? How was it? I remember seing it once, and it was sorely lacking quality in that issue.
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Nov 26, 2015 21:33:36 GMT -5
Ya that Birds of Prey issue is inflated. Not even a great story and the cover I find hideous. They are supposed to be swinging together but her body is clearly going one way and his the other so I always felt it looked awkward. I gladly sold mine for 40 last year. Birds of Prey didn't donut for me.
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Post by Phil Maurice on Nov 26, 2015 23:10:49 GMT -5
I had been a huge fan of the Son of Satan, owing to his legendary tenure with the Defenders. There was also something about being shirtless, caped, and wielding a trident that I found enormously appealing.
Some years later (around 1991), I set out to collect his earliest appearances. My timing was imperfect, as he had recently been reintroduced to the MU. His first minor appearance in Ghost Rider #1 was understandably inflated since the satanic cyclist had also seen a resurgence in popularity. But it was his first full appearance in Marvel Spotlight #12 that proved exceedingly difficult to obtain for anything less than one's immortal soul!
I think I ultimately paid $35 for what is surely no better than a Fine copy, which probably fetches a dollar or two at best these days.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 23:31:45 GMT -5
I saw this on Amazon earlier this year...came in a nice slipcase, was signed and serially numbered. But the asking price was...get this... $3,000.00Three thousand dollars.The regular slipcase edition (which I wound up with) goes for a more affordable $250 thereabouts...even though you can get the original set of 9 floppy comics for like $25.00
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Post by Gene on Nov 26, 2015 23:52:33 GMT -5
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