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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 11, 2019 14:08:05 GMT -5
Speaking of crossovers, the Dc vs Marvel series was a disappointment for two reasons - The art was split between two artists with really different styles , which made it jarring and The characters were inferior versions of themselves. Spider-man was Ben Reilly and Thor was dressed in his S and M costume.
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Post by brutalis on Jul 11, 2019 14:54:14 GMT -5
Just about the only cross-over that might get me to buy in would be a Dark Mansion of Forbidden Love special with Millie the Model and Snapper Carr. Or possibly an Ace the Bathound and Redwing super spectacular or even a Streeky/Goose adventure. -M Make it a love triangle and add Rick Jones. Just to annoy The Captain. And Ace should be hanging with Lockjaw for weekend beer runs that they take back for the rest of the animal sidekicks at the clubhouse where Krypto gets hung over and chases Streaky the Super Cat all over causing city wide damage. Tusky the Walrus is hanging in the hot tub (actually it's a Dyno-Mutt transformation) with Redwing perched on his shoulder while they drink the tub full of beer. Scooby Doo is scarfing up all the chips and dip while Ant-Man's little friends are running off with all the fruit salad!
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 12, 2019 21:23:28 GMT -5
I'm still holding out for Sgt Rock/Sgt Fury: the Siege of Bastogne.
That and Captain Marvel vs Captain Marvel: Battle for the Trademark.
Surprised we never got Dazzler vs Vibe: Danceoff!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2019 12:35:10 GMT -5
Was reading some back issues of the Wrestling Observer recently. Today, I read the June 7, 1993 issue. This was a news item:
Hmm, interesting. That might have been cool.
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Post by mrbrklyn on Jul 13, 2019 12:38:06 GMT -5
Speaking of crossovers, the Dc vs Marvel series was a disappointment for two reasons - The art was split between two artists with really different styles , which made it jarring and The characters were inferior versions of themselves. Spider-man was Ben Reilly and Thor was dressed in his S and M costume. RoFL!! Two thumbs up!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2019 14:10:19 GMT -5
As I approach my 50th, things to make me feel older....the Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers are now older than the Marvel Universe was when I read my first Marvel Comic...and almost as old as Batman and Superman were the year I was born.
-M
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2019 14:54:26 GMT -5
As I approach my 50th, things to make me feel older....the Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers are now older than the Marvel Universe was when I read my first Marvel Comic...and almost as old as Batman and Superman were the year I was born. -M I feel your pain! Just in a different way. I'm 38. When I see a 30th anniversary post of a film released in 1989 (or a comic or album), I feel old. As a 9-year-old kid, "thirty years ago" was 1959. Which felt like ancient history. So a little different to what you are saying, but similar.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 13, 2019 17:00:18 GMT -5
Was reading some back issues of the Wrestling Observer recently. Today, I read the June 7, 1993 issue. This was a news item: Hmm, interesting. That might have been cool. Somehow, I doubt it. I haven't seen anything but covers of the Mexican lucha libre comics (El Santo & Blue Demon starred in comics and appeared in photo covers and the character of Mil Mascaras was created by the publisher, then Aaron Rodriguez was chosen to portray the charrcter and became a legend); but, I have seen the Japanese comic, Tiger Mask, and it was pretty good, though in the Japanese style. naoki Tsuji, who drew it, handled the wrestling action well. The premise was Naoto Date was an orphan, who ran away from the orphanage and was trained by the infamous Tiger Cave Organization to become a vicious pro wrestler, known as Tiger Mask. After a bout, a child says he wants to be a villain, just like him, which shakes him. he visits the old orphanage and meets an old friend, a woman who had lived there. he spends time with her and the kids and has a change of heart and swears off the Tiger Cave and turns babyface. He donates part of his winnings to the orphanage. the Tiger Cave had been getting a cut and do not take it lightly and send various wrestlers to defeat him, with the stakes growing all of the time, until an epic finish. Actual pro wrestlers were featured in the comics, such as Giant Baba, Antonio Inoki, the Destroyer (Dick Beyer), Freddie Blassie, Jack Brisco, and a few others. Baba, who was the main promoter and star in Japan, at the time, becomes a mentor to Tiger Mask. In 1981, New Japan Pro Wrestling debuted a live Tiger Mask, portrayed by Satoru Sayama, who became a massive hit and a highly influential wrestler, with groundbreaking athletic matches with England's Dynamite Kid and Mark "Rollerball" Rocco (who wrestled as the heel, Black Tiger, in New Japan). In 1984, the rights went to All Japan Pro Wrestling (Baba's promotion) and was portrayed by Mistuhara Misawa, as Tiger Mask II. A cartoon series had followed the manga and a sequel series came out when Misawa portrayed the character. New Japan had the rights again, later, with Koji Kanemoto portraying Tiger Mask III, and Eddie Guerrero portraying Black Tiger. Michinoku Pro Wrestling debuted a Tiger Mask IV, in the late 90s, who fought a false Tiger, known as Masked Tiger. A fifth has since debuted. Another Black Tiger was portrayed by Cesar Gonzalez, aka Silver King, who portrayed the wrestler Ramses, in the movie Nacho Libre (and who just recently died in the ring, in the UK, about a month ago). Another Japanese manga, Crying Freeman, had one storyline where a massive pro wrestler worked as an assassin for a criminal organization, while still actively wrestling. He was depicted wearing the United National Hwt Championship belt, which was part of All-Japan's Triple Crown title.. crying Freeman faces him, under a mask, in the pro wrestling ring. The villain was depcted as over 7 ft tall, but more muscular than Giant Baba (who was about 6ft 7 or 8). That had beautiful artwork and handled the wrestling action well, with real maneuvers (plus Freeman's super-martial arts). The best, in America, is still Jaime Hernandez's stuff from Love & Rockets and Whoa, Nellie! (which was a mini-series spun off from Love & Rockets).
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Post by hondobrode on Jul 13, 2019 20:26:09 GMT -5
The Sinister Six
This has always felt incredibly weak because it's so powerful.
Seriously, if Spidey just barely beat some of these guys one-on-one how am I supposed to believe he, or any hero, can survive against *** SIX *** super-villains ?
That's always annoyed me.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 13, 2019 21:20:47 GMT -5
That makes sense... it's definitely true comics sales have no impact on any bottom lines for those companies. I'm not sure I agree about the marketing of the shared universe though... if that was their goal, wouldn't continuity be tighter?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2019 0:15:33 GMT -5
That makes sense... it's definitely true comics sales have no impact on any bottom lines for those companies. I'm not sure I agree about the marketing of the shared universe though... if that was their goal, wouldn't continuity be tighter? The best selling books each month are the books that promote the shared universe, i.e. the cross-over events books. These are the books "that matter" and the idea a book matters only applies insofar as it affects the shred universe as a whole and has implications for that shared universe. These are the books they market/hype the most, that they allocate the most resources (in terms of a-list creators) for, that they build their publishing schedule around. These are the books that the books featuring individual characters or teams have to align with, not the other way around, and these stories take precedence over what creative teams may want to do in individual titles. These are the books that are conceived and planned out at the creative retreat that freelancers are invited to and these are the books that take precedence in all their planning and marketing. Continuity is irrelevant to that, it's about the branding not the continuity. They want people to buy the book that is about the Marvel U or the DCU, not about a particular character or by a particular creator. You make your most popular characters central to those event books to keep them and the shared universe entwined, and you put you A-list talent on those books so people conflate the talent with the shared universe books as well. This is their publishing strategy, branding strategy, and marketing strategy all rolled into one. These are the tentpole projects, and it even bleeds into other media. When was the last time an MCU film didn't include ties to the other elements of the shared universe? How man cross-overs/shared universe stories do the CW shows do each season? How many DCEU movies don't include a does of the shared sandbox as a marketing point? The whole strategy of the Marvel Netflix offerings was to build to the shared sandbox Defenders series and that was part of the marketing hype form the initial announcement onwards. It's all about the shared universe now. -M
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 14, 2019 5:26:08 GMT -5
Even the movies were written with that crossover mentality. Iron man 2 had Black widow, Cap: Civil War, Winter Soldier had multiple characters and Thor Ragnarok , included the Hulk. The only odd duck was Iron Man 3 , but I guess they felt RDJ could carry it with his name alone.
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Post by kirby101 on Jul 14, 2019 8:26:18 GMT -5
The MCU movies did have many crossover characters, but were still essentially about the main superhero. Civil War however was Avengers 2.5.
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Post by Duragizer on Jul 14, 2019 13:51:41 GMT -5
That makes sense... it's definitely true comics sales have no impact on any bottom lines for those companies. I'm not sure I agree about the marketing of the shared universe though... if that was their goal, wouldn't continuity be tighter? The best selling books each month are the books that promote the shared universe, i.e. the cross-over events books. These are the books "that matter" and the idea a book matters only applies insofar as it affects the shred universe as a whole and has implications for that shared universe. These are the books they market/hype the most, that they allocate the most resources (in terms of a-list creators) for, that they build their publishing schedule around. These are the books that the books featuring individual characters or teams have to align with, not the other way around, and these stories take precedence over what creative teams may want to do in individual titles. These are the books that are conceived and planned out at the creative retreat that freelancers are invited to and these are the books that take precedence in all their planning and marketing. Continuity is irrelevant to that, it's about the branding not the continuity. They want people to buy the book that is about the Marvel U or the DCU, not about a particular character or by a particular creator. You make your most popular characters central to those event books to keep them and the shared universe entwined, and you put you A-list talent on those books so people conflate the talent with the shared universe books as well. This is their publishing strategy, branding strategy, and marketing strategy all rolled into one. These are the tentpole projects, and it even bleeds into other media. When was the last time an MCU film didn't include ties to the other elements of the shared universe? How man cross-overs/shared universe stories do the CW shows do each season? How many DCEU movies don't include a does of the shared sandbox as a marketing point? The whole strategy of the Marvel Netflix offerings was to build to the shared sandbox Defenders series and that was part of the marketing hype form the initial announcement onwards. It's all about the shared universe now. -M I'm a bit surprised that junk sells well enough for them to embrace such a framework wholeheartedly. I consider it all vapid gimmickry, give it a wide berth, and have given up reading all their mainline titles as a result; I'd think most readers would've grown tired of the nonsense and done likewise.
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Post by beccabear67 on Jul 14, 2019 13:54:02 GMT -5
I like the Amalgam mash-up comics, I have twenty of the twenty four of them anyway, despite not having any of the 4 Vs. comics that frame it. I thought Spider-Boy Team-Up with variations of the Legion may've been the most fun, and Dr. Strangefate the best written. Amazon with Byrne and Austin was pretty cool, while some others were ruined a bit by that exaggerated '90s artstyle in vogue, so X-Patrol and Magneto and The Magnetic Men were only great in idea. The Man-Thing/Man Bat combo worked out to be pretty neat in Bat-Thing, and Super Soldier also worked out very well being a Captain America/Superman amalgam. Iron Lantern should've been a highlight too but Paul Smith and whoever else made it super bland.
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