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Post by Reptisaurus! on Nov 9, 2019 2:54:25 GMT -5
Eh, it was probably just a cover gag. Mister Spaceman posted a cover in the Martian Invasion thread. I figured there was a story involved. In a decade or three I may recover from the crushing disappointment.
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 9, 2019 7:24:29 GMT -5
Does the Justice Society still have that young black kid that controls the Cei-U genie ?
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Post by Mister Spaceman on Nov 9, 2019 10:18:11 GMT -5
Eh, it was probably just a cover gag. Mister Spaceman posted a cover in the Martian Invasion thread. I figured there was a story involved. In a decade or three I may recover from the crushing disappointment. The cover I posted is a reprint collection of stories from the original run of Tales Calculated to Drive You Bats. I've not read any of that title's seven issues, but based on these summaries, "Super Witch" wasn't actually a character in any story. Too bad! scaredsillybypaulcastiglia.blogspot.com/2010/06/tales-calculated-to-drive-you-bats-part.html
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2019 10:35:00 GMT -5
Does the Justice Society still have that young black kid that controls the Cei-U genie ? JJ Thunder!
come to think of it, I haven't seen/heard much about him since the "Nu 52" era.
I'll just bet they made him evil or something.
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Post by Confessor on Nov 11, 2019 18:56:27 GMT -5
Something I got to wondering is just how or why it came to be that Bob Kane was credited as the writer and artist on the various Batman stories in the Golden and early Silver Ages, despite other artists -- Bill Finger especially -- doing the work? I mean, why did the likes of Finger, Gerry Robinson, Dick Sprang, Gardener Fox, Jim Mooney etc agree to write or draw anonymously (aside from just being desperate for the money) and why was Kane so adamant to have his name and only his name on the stories?
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 11, 2019 19:31:58 GMT -5
Something I got to wondering is just how or why it came to be that Bob Kane was credited as the writer and artist on the various Batman stories in the Golden and early Silver Ages, despite other artists -- Bill Finger especially -- doing the work? I mean, why did the likes of Finger, Gerry Robinson, Dick Sprang, Gardener Fox, Jim Mooney etc agree to write or draw anonymously (aside from just being desperate for the money) and why was Kane so adamant to have his name and only his name on the stories? There's a lot of things going on here...and I'm more than willing to be corrected by others if I misstate something. The first is that National/DC was contractually obligated to give Kane a byline on the Batman stories no matter who actually produced them. That was a part of the contract that transferred the rights to Bat-Man from Kane to National/DC. Second it was pretty unusual for writers to get a byline on any comic book story that early on. Artist credits happened more often but were still pretty rare. Third, it's my understanding that, at least initially, the Batman stories were produced by Kane's studio, much the way that Superman stories were produced by the Siegel & Shuster studio, until the demand outstripped their ability to produce enough product. Fourth, beyond the normal anonymity of producing comics in the Golden Age, there was a LONG history in comic strips of people using assistants and ghosts that were pretty much never acknowledged. This is one of those areas modern fans seem to be incapable of wrapping their heads around. Al Capp got his start ghosting Joe Palooka for Ham Fisher. Frank Frazetta assisted and ghosted Al Capp. Alex Raymond almost always had ghost writers on his strips. Ultimately...at the time nobody would have found this to be at all unusual. It was simply the way the business operated.
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Post by Cei-U! on Nov 11, 2019 20:07:48 GMT -5
Something I got to wondering is just how or why it came to be that Bob Kane was credited as the writer and artist on the various Batman stories in the Golden and early Silver Ages, despite other artists -- Bill Finger especially -- doing the work? I mean, why did the likes of Finger, Gerry Robinson, Dick Sprang, Gardener Fox, Jim Mooney etc agree to write or draw anonymously (aside from just being desperate for the money) and why was Kane so adamant to have his name and only his name on the stories? There's a lot of things going on here...and I'm more than willing to be corrected by others if I misstate something. The first is that National/DC was contractually obligated to give Kane a byline on the Batman stories no matter who actually produced them. That was a part of the contract that transferred the rights to Bat-Man from Kane to National/DC. Second it was pretty unusual for writers to get a byline on any comic book story that early on. Artist credits happened more often but were still pretty rare. Third, it's my understanding that, at least initially, the Batman stories were produced by Kane's studio, much the way that Superman stories were produced by the Siegel & Shuster studio, until the demand outstripped their ability to produce enough product. Fourth, beyond the normal anonymity of producing comics in the Golden Age, there was a LONG history in comic strips of people using assistants and ghosts that were pretty much never acknowledged. This is one of those areas modern fans seem to be incapable of wrapping their heads around. Al Capp got his start ghosting Joe Palooka for Ham Fisher. Frank Frazetta assisted and ghosted Al Capp. Alex Raymond almost always had ghost writers on his strips. Ultimately...at the time nobody would have found this to be at all unusual. It was simply the way the business operated. Correct on all counts, although Kane's "studio" consisted of himself, Finger, inker Jerry Robinson, and background man George Roussos (as compared to the half-dozen artists ghosting for Shuster).
Cei-U! I summon the verification!
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Nov 11, 2019 22:29:05 GMT -5
And it was work done for a paycheck that wasn't perceived as having much value.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2019 23:40:16 GMT -5
After all this ... and the dust settles DC Comics finally recognized Finger's contributions and named him co-creator of Batman and yet he did most of work himself. In retrospect ... Confessor ... it was all I don't like Bob Kane at all.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Nov 12, 2019 4:34:38 GMT -5
Something I got to wondering is just how or why it came to be that Bob Kane was credited as the writer and artist on the various Batman stories in the Golden and early Silver Ages, despite other artists -- Bill Finger especially -- doing the work? I mean, why did the likes of Finger, Gerry Robinson, Dick Sprang, Gardener Fox, Jim Mooney etc agree to write or draw anonymously (aside from just being desperate for the money) and why was Kane so adamant to have his name and only his name on the stories? If you want a slightly deeper dive with a little more information than the short answers provided by Slam and Cei-U (but without reading an entire book), you might be interested in these pretty detailed and well-researched posts from over a decade ago by the now dormant Dial B for Blog called "Secret Origins of the Batman": Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3. There's also a follow-up post with a link to a video featuring an interview with Bob Kane. Since they're blog posts, though, no attempt is made to assume a mien of scholarly impartiality: this guy really loathes Kane, and it shows (I'd be interested in an actual comics historian's [*cough* Cei-U! *cough*] opinion of those posts).
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Post by beccabear67 on Nov 12, 2019 13:47:03 GMT -5
All I know is recently reading Batman #181 so long after reading it in it's original edition I realized how freaking goofy it was! Both stories are signed/credited to Bob Kane, and as far as I'm concerned he's welcome to own these corny dated versions of Batman and Robin. "There they are Dick!" "You men are such fools!" "You are luscious dreamboat!"
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Post by rberman on Nov 12, 2019 16:14:53 GMT -5
Fourth, beyond the normal anonymity of producing comics in the Golden Age, there was a LONG history in comic strips of people using assistants and ghosts that were pretty much never acknowledged. This is one of those areas modern fans seem to be incapable of wrapping their heads around. Al Capp got his start ghosting Joe Palooka for Ham Fisher. Frank Frazetta assisted and ghosted Al Capp. Alex Raymond almost always had ghost writers on his strips. Ultimately...at the time nobody would have found this to be at all unusual. It was simply the way the business operated. There seemed to be a perception, perhaps a correct one, that any competent artist could generate the house style required at that time. Just as you don't really need to know the name of the 'sandwich artist' who assembles your BLT at Subway. Coming up with the original design was what mattered. (Not that creators were always properly identified.)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 10:54:41 GMT -5
Is there a Transformers trade (or run) that delves into the history of Cybertron?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 13:38:56 GMT -5
Is there a Transformers trade (or run) that delves into the history of Cybertron? With so many continuities, there isn't a definitive origin, but the Primal Scream story in Transformers #61 was the first origin story I ever remember seeing.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 13:59:22 GMT -5
Thank you, I shall see if I can track it down.
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