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Post by dbutler69 on Mar 22, 2019 10:56:17 GMT -5
Here's the list in chronological order:
Ka-Zar (1970) #1 Ka-Zar (1970) #2 The Amazing Spider-Man (1963) #92 - 'When Iceman Attacks' Ka-Zar (1970) #3 Marvel Tales (1964) #30 The Avengers (1963) #88 - 'The Summons of Psyklop' Amazing Adventures (1970) #11 - 'Lo! A Beast Is Born' The Incredible Hulk (1968) #150 - 'Cry Hulk, Cry Havok!' Amazing Adventures (1970) #12 - 'Iron Man: D.O.A.' Amazing Adventures (1970) #13 - 'Evil Is All In Your Mind!' The Avengers (1963) #102 - 'What to Do Till the Sentinels Come!' Marvel Team-Up (1972) #4 - 'And Then--The X-Men!' Amazing Adventures (1970) #14 - 'The Vampire Machine' Amazing Adventures (1970) #15 - 'Murder In Mid-Air!' Amazing Adventures (1970) #16 - 'And the Juggernaut Will Get You... If You Don't Watch Out!' Amazing Adventures (1970) #17 - 'Birth of the Beast!' The Incredible Hulk (1968) #161 - 'Beyond the Border Lurks Death!' The Avengers (1963) #110 - '... And Now Magneto!' The Avengers (1963) #111 - 'With Two Beside Them!' Shanna, the She-Devil (1972) #5 - 'Where Nekra Walks, Death Must Follow' Fear (1970) #20 - 'Morbius the Living Vampire!' The Incredible Hulk (1968) #172 - 'And Canst Thou Slay... The Juggernaut?' Marvel Team-Up (1972) #18 - 'Where Bursts The Bomb!' The Incredible Hulk (1968) #173 - 'Anybody Out There Remember... The Cobalt Man?' Captain America (1968) #172 - 'Believe It or Not: The Banshee!' Captain America (1968) #173 - 'The Sins of the Secret Empire!' Captain America (1968) #174 - 'It's Always Darkest!' Marvel Team-Up (1972) #22 - 'The Messiah Machine!' Captain America (1968) #175 - '... Before the Dawn!' Marvel Team-Up (1972) #23 - 'The Night of the Frozen Inferno' Giant-Size Avengers (1974) #1 - 'Nuklo - The Invader That Time Forgot!' Captain America (1968) #177 - 'Lucifer Be Thy Name' The Defenders (1972) #15 - 'Panic Beneath the Earth!' The Defenders (1972) #16 - 'Alpha, The Ultimate Mutant!' Giant-Size Fantastic Four (1974) #4 - 'Madrox, The Multiple Man!' Captain America (1968) #183 - 'Nomad: No More!' Thor (1966) #233 - 'Midgard Aflame!' Spidey Super Stories (1974) #6 - 'Webbing in a Winter Wonderland'
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Post by dbutler69 on Mar 22, 2019 10:57:28 GMT -5
Awesome! That's an excellent starting point! That'll be when I re-up my Marvel Unlimited sub when I get there! and you motivated me to finally put that list in chronological order, which is now above. I'd been wanting to read these in order myself, so maybe I'll get started on that at some point.
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Post by Cei-U! on Mar 22, 2019 16:48:35 GMT -5
That list isn't nearly as helpful as it might look. Eight of those issues only feature the X-Men in flashbacks to or reprints of earlier stories: Ka-Zar #1, Avengers #102, Shanna the She-Devil #5, Marvel Team-Up #18 and 22, Incredible Hulk #173, Giant-Size Avengers #1, and Captain America #177. Cap #183 features the post X-Men Beast. No X-Man appears in Thor #233. And of course, Spidey Super-Stories is not in continuity. The remainder of the list, though, is accurate.
Cei-U! I summon the blue pencil!
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Mar 22, 2019 18:28:24 GMT -5
Fwiw, I think there's going to be a 4th volume of the X-men chronicles with some of those stories reprinted.
And the (very enjoyable!) Jerry Seigel penned Angel stories which were back-ups in Ka-Zar (I think?) were reprinted in the Marvel Masterworks TPBs, so they're probably in the Chronicles as well.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Mar 22, 2019 22:15:47 GMT -5
Fwiw, I think there's going to be a 4th volume of the X-men chronicles with some of those stories reprinted. And the (very enjoyable!) Jerry Seigel penned Angel stories which were back-ups in Ka-Zar (I think?) were reprinted in the Marvel Masterworks TPBs, so they're probably in the Chronicles as well. I hope so! They've skipped it so far (they did the 1st part in 3 epic volumes, then the one starting with Giant size is Vol. 5). The Angel back up in Marvel Tales/Kazar is indeed in Epic Vol. 3. As far as dbutler's list goes... better to have extra stuff than leave stuff off! Clearly, I don't do these that often, so when I get there I'll figure it all out
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Post by dbutler69 on Mar 23, 2019 9:35:40 GMT -5
That list isn't nearly as helpful as it might look. Eight of those issues only feature the X-Men in flashbacks to or reprints of earlier stories: Ka-Zar #1, Avengers #102, Shanna the She-Devil #5, Marvel Team-Up #18 and 22, Incredible Hulk #173, Giant-Size Avengers #1, and Captain America #177. Cap #183 features the post X-Men Beast. No X-Man appears in Thor #233. And of course, Spidey Super-Stories is not in continuity. The remainder of the list, though, is accurate. Cei-U! I summon the blue pencil! Thor #233 must be an error in comicbookdb.com, which lists Cyclops as being in that issue. As far as those others, it's helpful to know they're just in flashbacks.
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Post by profh0011 on Mar 23, 2019 15:20:34 GMT -5
The Silver Age X-men is my least favorite Marvel superhero adventure series of the '60s on an issue by issue basis- definitely worse than the Human Torch and Giant Man features. I'd say it was the worst I've ever read but the couple of issues of Patsy and Hedy I own don't do much for me either. So get ready for quite a bit of a chore. I think I agree with this.
The ANT-MAN / GIANT-MAN and JOHNNY STORM (my personal name for it) series are FUN. But somehow, X-MEN seems just like what it probably was... a chore, done by a writer-artist who was already terribly over-worked.
Many have knocked the JOHNNY STORM series over the decades, comparing it unfavorably to the series it spun off from (FANTASTIC FOUR), but I tend to compare it very favorable to THE HUMAN TORCH series from the 40s & 50s. Try as I might, I have never really enjoyed even a single story of that character. But both the Jack Kirby & Dick Ayers episodes of JOHNNY STORM are fun, in very different ways. Ayers played up the humor much more. (Somehow, once Bob Powell gets involved, it starts to fall apart.)
ANT-MAN / etc. is similar... but I think has the additional problem of too many creative team changes, coupled with repeated instances of being re-tooled. One thing I found notable was, Giant-Man always seemed to work much better in THE AVENGERS than in his solo series, once he stopped being Ant-Man!
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Post by wildfire2099 on Mar 23, 2019 18:20:43 GMT -5
I haven't read silver age Ant Man yet (it's in my pile) but I have read the Atom, and they get some good mileage out of the various size stuff for cool art. The stories aren't the greatest, but they're mostly passable...I'm picturing Ant-Man to be similar.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Mar 25, 2019 8:07:05 GMT -5
From the ask-and-you-shall-receive dept.: Apparently Epic vol. 4 is indeed on the schedule... it's in the June Solicts, so huzzah! Without further Ado: X-Men #48Drake/Heck/Roth/Vertpoorten 'Beware Computo, Commander of the Robot Hive' Plot: Scott and Jean set up their 'cover story'.. Jean is a small town girl trying to model, and Scott is a jealous boyfriend and gets a job as a reporter (cliche, much). The opening scene is right out of a romance comic..Jean is modelling, the guy in charge makes a pass, and Scott barges in and slugs him, only to have the other models try to corner him for themselves. As they leave, Scott and Jean congratulate themselves on their 'acting'. the go to the radio station for Scott to impress his lady, and they find a bunch of robots stealing the new transmitter. Jean uses magic telepathy to follow them, they beat them down, and discover Quasimodo as the mastermind, who flees and easily gets away. Notes: - I think the editors messed up.. Jean's internal narration tells us Bobby and Hank are in California, and her and Scott stayed in New York, yet last issue Hank and Bobby are firmly in New York (they got to coffee a-go-go), while Jean is modelling in a bikini, the reference the Carlsbad Caverns, and the bad guys are found at a construct site that is near sand dunes.. very California-y. I assume they just got it backwards. Angel is mentioned as a 'Roving Agent'.. apparently no one wanted to use him. - This feels much more like a long term set up to a new status quo than the last issue did... where the Hank/Bobby story was just a continuation of their usual adventures. -Jean modelling and going gaga over a single seems more like Mary Jane Watson than Jean Grey...is that what he was going for? Was this to be the 'less interesting adventures of not-Spider-Man?' -Something clearly changed tracks between this issue and the next, as the next issue box advertises another Hank and Bobby team up, which doesn't happen. Apparently the story mentioned in the next issue box was actually written in 1994 by Kurt Busiek as a flashback in the 1994 Marvel Christmas special. I guess the splitting up the team failed sales-wise. Also, that indicates they clearly were sending Angel to limbo. - The letters page includes one from future pro Tony Isabella, telling Marvel that the book sucks, basically... he's not wrong. - When at the radio station, Jean geeks out about a single from 'Chocolate Covered Ashcan'.. I'd have rather seen a shout out to a read band than a goofy made up one that's just making fun of the band names of the time. - In universe, it's clear the FBI guy's plan was a good one.. the two duos are far more effective fighting than they've ever been as a team. -I do feel like this is a very DC story (Drake was a DC guy, I think), especially the weird old man statement by Cyclops in the last panel. Overall, I'd totally read a 2nd issue if this was a first one, nothing brilliant, but intriguing enough. Plot: B- Art: A- (I did dig the robots) History: F (all scrapped next issue!) 'Yours Truly, the Beast' Drake/Roth/Verpoorten Plot: much like last issue.. a 4th wall breaking short with the Beast telling us about his powers. Nothing too exciting. I do find it funny that they considered his mutant power 'big hands and feet' back in the day.
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Post by rberman on Mar 25, 2019 12:27:11 GMT -5
-I do feel like this is a very DC story (Drake was a DC guy, I think), especially the weird old man statement by Cyclops in the last panel. That quotation is a keeper! The next time something bad happens, I will just remember that such things are as recurrent as the cataclysmic upheavals of nature that convulse our planet from time-to-time.
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Post by zilch on Mar 26, 2019 15:11:40 GMT -5
If'n I remember rightly, the next Beast/Iceman story was set in California and they battled the Lava Men. I don't know if any art was done for it, but the Angel stories in Ka-Zar and Marvel Tales were probably part of this little split-up deal.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Mar 26, 2019 18:54:08 GMT -5
If'n I remember rightly, the next Beast/Iceman story was set in California and they battled the Lava Men. I don't know if any art was done for it, but the Angel stories in Ka-Zar and Marvel Tales were probably part of this little split-up deal. -z That's the one that didn't get written until 1994 as a flashback in the Christmas special. I don't have it (it's prohibitively expensive for a book I have no other interest in) but the summary I saw online indicates the story definitely took place in New York (Vera and Zelda are in it).
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Post by wildfire2099 on Mar 26, 2019 18:59:31 GMT -5
So I was looking at the list of books in the epic volume... it doesn't have 'Doesn't anyone remember the Cobalt Man?'.. but I think I own that one THe other ones on the list are all included if you omit the ones Cei-U says are only flashbacks. Interestingly, it also lists 'X-Men 67-93, Annual 1-2' as part of the contents... I wonder why? maybe to show changes, or covers? It'll be interesting to see!
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Post by dbutler69 on Mar 28, 2019 17:40:41 GMT -5
That list isn't nearly as helpful as it might look. Eight of those issues only feature the X-Men in flashbacks to or reprints of earlier stories: Ka-Zar #1, Avengers #102, Shanna the She-Devil #5, Marvel Team-Up #18 and 22, Incredible Hulk #173, Giant-Size Avengers #1, and Captain America #177. Cap #183 features the post X-Men Beast. No X-Man appears in Thor #233. And of course, Spidey Super-Stories is not in continuity. The remainder of the list, though, is accurate. Cei-U! I summon the blue pencil! Actually, I'm pretty sure Professor X is in Shanna the She-Devil #5, and not as a flashback. your other info is right, though.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Mar 29, 2019 9:07:27 GMT -5
X-Men #49'Who dares defy.. the demi-men?' Drake/Heck/Roth/Tartaglione (LOVE that cover!!!.. sign me up for Steranko on X-Men.. its coming! It's no suprise they use it on for all the collections) Plot: Angel is back! He's visiting the mansion, and it turns out Cerebro is barking, and something is going on. He mentally reaches out to Jean and gets the gang back together. The mutant activity is in San Francisco, so they borrow a not-a-quinjet from the Avengers and join Hank and Bobby (who are, in fact, in California NOW, working as Skydivers? Or maybe stunt men? it's not clear). We find that Magneto had an previous unknown disciple named Mesmero, who apparently has gathered a fair amount of henchmen (who are called 'Demi-Men' by the cover but never called anything in story).. he's using his powers to activate latent mutants to add to his ranks. One of those Mutants is Lorna Dane, who apparently wandered to San Fran from 1200 miles away and doesn't remember why. Bobby finds her and brings her back to the West Coast X-Mansion.. Beast works on a mini-Cerebro while the rest of the team wanders the city to find the mutants.. they do so, and defeat the henchmen with relative ease.. apparently if they're mutants, they don't have powers. Back at the ranch, Beast finishes his mutant detector, and it pings Lorna right away, who has showered and, thanks to using the worst hair dye ever, reveals green hair. Iceman stays with Lorna while the rest of the team take the detector to find the head mutant... as soon as they leave Mesmero and more of his henchman arrive as soon as the X-Men leave.. Bobby valiant fights them off, but gets hypnotized. Turns out they were looking for Lorna, who they want to worship! To be continued! Notes: - Talk about an about face! This is right back to what the book was like from the start... with the team together dealing with mutant threats. Only this time, the team is actually effective. - I love they created a new villain instead of bringing back Magneto, even if they go to the 'disciple of Magneto' well far too often going forward. Then there's of course the fact that we've never seen the guy before... why did he never get detected before? Why just at the exact moment when Angel was feeling nostalgic? -Speaking of Angel, they try hard to sell us on Angel-as-key-member... the henchmen comment how awesome he is, and the team reacts like he's Captain America when he gets shot (for no damage). -Jean seems to have a MAJOR power up.. she's able to contact Beast and Iceman from across the country, and talk to everyone at one like the Professor used to. She also tosses armored henchman around with telekinesis with ease. -I would have liked to see a panel or two of the interaction where Angel got the convertible airship thing they used 'borrowed' from the Avengers... it looks more like a Fantasticar than a Quinjet, and crossing the country in an airplane open to the air seems impractical at best, but whatever. - Iceman is clearly smitten with Lorna, when just 2 issues ago he was dating Zelda, and nary a stray thought or mention of her. I guess we can assume they broke up off panel when the boys went west (also off panel). This makes me remember how illogical it seemed when they recently decided Bobby was gay... not that you can't change your mind about such things, but the story is that he was just 'in the closet' as a teen, which doesn't jive to me at all. - I do like Mesmero design-wise... he's kinda Kirby-esque. That's alot in 16 pages! (still a backup...) 'A Beast is Born' Drake/Roth/Verpooten Plot: Hank McCoy's dad worked in a nuclear plant, and had to save the day by exposing himself to radiation to stop a meltdown. So Beast was created by radiation too! There's a couple cute panels will baby Beast holding a bottle with his feet, otherwise nothing to see here.
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